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RobertJohnson
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posted 9/16/2019 6:32:09 PM    Click here to view the profile for RobertJohnson  Click here to email RobertJohnson  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello, I am a researcher looking for information on the HQ company for the 23rd Tank Battalion of the 12th.

Last Thursday I met Jim Feezel and talked to him about his experiences.

I have read that Units of the 12th liberated 11 camps in 11 days, and I have read and listened to the stories from Abilene Christian University. They are well done videos. And the oral histories are top notch. This is an outstanding resource. Although I admit that after working for 12 years as a guide here in Munich, that the stories of the Landsberg camps are particularly horrible to watch.

I am looking for detailed information on which units were at which camps. For instance. I've read through the after action reports for April and unless I missed something, they don't mention overrunning the camps at all. This makes sense as the Germans had already retreated after murdering the non-ambulant inmates. I assume that the camps aren't considered part of the combat report. Additionally the race to close the Brenner probably prevented much time being spent in Landsberg.

What I am specifically looking for is information on the HQ company of the 23rd.
If anyone has any hints or leads I would appreciate it.

Sincerely,
Robert Johnson
robbie.johnson@gmail.com


Brady Raymond
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posted 9/18/2019 1:17:15 PM    Click here to view the profile for Brady Raymond  Click here to email Brady Raymond  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
My Grandfather was in B/714th,and he spoke to me a few times about the camps. I have the same frustration with the After-Action Reports. I've learned a lot from them but not about this event.

The AAR's put B/714th at Langerringen On April 27th, my Grandfather told me they were the first ones in to at least one of the camps and that they kept getting worse as they went.

Being that the locations are only a few miles apart I imagine being in tanks they were probably all over that area and the AARs put them there for a couple days.

If you'd like to converse more feel free to email me. I have some stories that I will spare the message board but I would be very interested if folks have heard similar things.

I know it's not the 23rd, but I hope it helps a little. I would be very interested in any info that comes your way regarding the camps.

Brady

bradyraymond@hotmail.com

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 9/18/2019 9:35:01 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I have been interested in this topic for many years.
The record is very scattered, and cries out for organization. The 12th Armored never got credit for all that it did. There is also interest from the Holocaust
Museum in Washington. Next May, there will be
a memorial service in Dachau. Several veterans from
the 12th Armored will go there.

With regard to the 23rd: Check out the last few pages of the History of 23rd in BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES. This is the story of the liberation of
Castle Itter. Several high value politicians from France were held there, including two premiers and DeGaulle's sister. German soldiers and a few Americans, led by Capt. Jack Lee (23rd) held off the SS until more American troops came to the rescue.

Let's keep in touch.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 9/19/2019 9:55:47 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Robert Johnson: The unit representative for the
23rd Tank Battalion is Geoff Lackey,
gelackey98@gmail.com


To add some detail: Go to BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES in the column on the left. Then scroll
down to the 23rd Tank Battalion. Read the History of
23rd Tank Bn. Also, scroll down to the 17th Armored
Infantry Battalion, and also to the 495th Armored Field
Artillery. Read the documents on all 3 of these, because they were all part of Combat Command R.
Parts of each Battalion were combined into Task Forces and at times the Task Forces liberated camps. Thus the liberation of a camp or a group of workers
outside the camp might be recorded in one history but not the other. There are After Action Reports for
these battalions. See the left column. I may have the ones you cannot find. These reports tell you the
the composition of the task forces.

Read the Division Histories in Books and Written Experiences for late April and May.

Read the memoir in the 119th about the liberation of
Kaufering IV. See the book by Joe Hausner, a surviivor, reproduced there. Scroll down for Joes's second memoir
in another part of BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 9/19/2019 10:12:23 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Brady Raymond: The unit Representative for the 714th Tank Battalion isJulie McCarty.
jmccarty@gvtc.com

It is unfortunate the there is only one memoir about
the 714th Tank Battalion (by Myers). Go to BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES on the left and scroll down. to the 714th and also to the 56th AIB and the 494th Armored Field Artillery. These battalions were
part of Combat Command B.

For a good coverage of the first part of the Herrlisheim battle, January 8-12 (approximately)
go to BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES and
scroll down to the 56th and read "Nightmare in Herrlisheim" We took a beating.

There is so much history in these memoirs and also
there are many stories in the HELLCAT NEWS ARCHIVE. (on the left). Also, in the 6 Scrapbooks
accessible there. I have to put together a guide to
show how to search this arcive efficiently.





Brady Raymond
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posted 9/19/2019 12:07:29 PM    Click here to view the profile for Brady Raymond  Click here to email Brady Raymond  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mike,

I've read a lot on the website already as I am trying to piece together a timeline of my Grandpa's tour for my family. I haven't read the 494th though, I've got some reading to do tonight.

I will get a hold of Julie, I have a few videos of my Grandpa talking about things that aren't on the website and I have some questions I"m hoping someone could answer for me. I will post a new thread sometime today with links to the videos. He doesn't talk about the camps in them but are interesting none the less.