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posted 3/29/2018 7:28:08 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hi all,

I was just curious if anyone has more information regarding my grandpa and if this was the division he might have been in during the war. So far this is what I know:

Name: Charles L Grove
Rank: Technician 5th grade
Enlisted: Oct/20/1942
Discharged: Sept/25/1943
Army Specialty: General Auto Mech, Tank Driver & Mechanic

He was discharged due to medical reasons with Cas Co. 3557th S.U. from Camp Campbell, KY.

After doing a little research I found out that the 12th Armored was stationed at Camp Campbell, KY when the base first opened in Nov of 1942 (which is just after his enlistment date) and that the 12th Armored was moved to Camp Barkley, TX in Sept of 1943 (same month and year that he was discharged)

Any info at all would be much appreciated!

Thank you

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posted 3/30/2018 1:43:16 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hello, Can you please tell me what S. U. means? I came up with Search Unit on a list of Army abbreviations. Also, I guess Cas. Co. means Casualty Company. Was your grandfather hurt in an accident, perhaps during the Tennessee maneuvers that took place about the time he was discharged?

Mike Woldenberg

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posted 3/30/2018 6:49:30 PM    Click here to view the profile for Bob Scherer  Click here to email Bob Scherer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello. Do you have a copy of your grandfather's discharge papers, or any other info about his service? He may or may not have been a part of the 12th AD. I don't see him on our 17,000 man roster, but that really doesn't mean anything, it's not complete. And he could have been training with the 12th and then injured and discharged. I will put a request in our monthly publication the Hellcat News to see is anyone recognizes Charles' name. It's along shot. Many of our veterans joined the 12th AD overseas as replacements and would have no knowledge of what occurred at Camp Campbell in 42-43. Please let me know if you have anything else on Charles.
Mike - Cas Co stands for Casual Company which during WWII was sort of a transient organization a man was assigned to when he was transitioning into or out of a post. He would nor be assigned there long. And SU stands for Service Unit which could be any type of administrative unit on a post.
Thanks,
Bob Scherer

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posted 3/31/2018 12:19:32 AM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Bob,

Yes I do have a copy of his discharge papers. Most of the info I provided came from that, but regardless yes I do have a copy. And replying to Mikes question, yes he was hurt in an accident and that would as the reason of his discharge. I have no clue what the accident(s) was, but I know that he basically lost almost all his hearing in in one ear. Thank you for trying to find out some info for me, I appreciate it!

Best,
Troy



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posted 3/31/2018 12:06:34 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
McMillin noted that two soldiers were killed in July of 1943 in a tank accident near Auburntown, during the fouth of seven maneuvers. One was Jerres D. Morrison of Clarksville and the other was Eugene F. Novotny of Cleveland, Ohio, and they were most probably from the 10th Armored Division, according to McMillin. A POSSIBILITY he was involved in this!

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posted 3/31/2018 6:19:28 PM    Click here to view the profile for Bob Scherer  Click here to email Bob Scherer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Troy,
Thanks. Can you scan and email me a copy of his discharge papers? Sometimes they give clues that are not obvious. My email is rwscherer@verizon.net. Or maybe you could fax it - 215-321-6262 - call first so I turn on the fax. Fax & phone same #.
Harry,
Great research and great tip! I've written to a buddy who is the heart and soul of what's left of the 10th AD Assn. I haven't conversed with him in @ 2 years...hope he's still out there. BTW, who is McMillin?
Thanks!
Bob


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posted 4/1/2018 8:03:48 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Here is a reference to a book by Woody McMillin
about the Tennessee manuevers.

https://www.murfreesboropost.com/news/maneuvers-help-win-war-on-western-front/article_63bd34c1-7d79-5784-ae78-0bc9ff117ec4.html

We need to verify the dates of the maneuvers when the 12th Armored participated. The wikipedia website gives the dates but I think the
dates may be in error. September 1943 does agree with the date of Mr. Grove's injury. I have not found a reference to his name yet.

Mike

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posted 4/2/2018 1:18:52 AM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,

Thank you for your input and the Tennessee maneuver lead! I gave more of my grandfathers info to Bob to hopefully get his records requested. In the mean time I'm trying to find more info on the maneuver and if I can find his name. Thank you for looking and helping out as well. Much appreciated!

Best,
Troy Grove

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posted 4/2/2018 8:53:54 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
You are very welcome, Troy.

Mike

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Mike & Harry,
I've written to Troy and suggested he google Camp Campbell WWII history. It appears that the 20th AD was training there when his grandfather was there. If I can find records....like Morning Reports....for the Campbell camp hospital for that period I may find a record of when grandpa was treated. It's a long shot, but if I have time I will look. Meanwhile if anyone can find any info on the Camp Campbell hospital please send it along. It might help.
Bob


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posted 4/3/2018 3:11:15 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Eugene Novotny was in Co. A of 626th T.D. Bn.

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posted 4/20/2018 7:22:21 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hi everyone,

I just wanted to post a quick update on the info that Bob was able to obtain from the NPRC. It turns out that my grandpa was in the 12th Armored Division, 44th Armored Regiment, Company I.

I know this might be a long shot, but would anyone happen to know if there are any pictures floating around that he might be in? Or a yearbook for I Co.? I'm not sure how much information is going to be available past what is already known, but I wanted to check. Thank you again to everyone who has contributed and helped me!

Best regards,
Troy Grove

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posted 4/22/2018 6:44:05 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello Troy, Here is one picture of Company I of the
44th. There may be others.

Mike


https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth654787/?q=%20%2244th%20Armored%20Regiment%22

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https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth639087/m1/12/zoom/?q=%20%2244th%20Armored%20Regiment%22&resolution=2&lat=1422.7670330467863&lon=3569.3995861382964

This picture has no caption. This is a long shot.

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posted 4/22/2018 5:04:25 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,

I have seen the 1st picture that you posted about in my research. The only possible candidate (in my opinion) is the middle picture, 4th from the left. However, it is definitely in the right time period. I have 3 photos from 1943 of my grandpa, but I don't believe I can just post it on here?

Best,
Troy Grove

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posted 4/22/2018 8:46:34 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Troy, There is a Facebook page for the 12th.

Try this address. Then join up and post your
picture. No veterans are on this, and no
one from the 44th so far as I know. But give
it a try.

12th Armored Division(The Hellcat's)

Someone made a mistake with that apostrophe
but it is part of the facebook address.


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posted 4/23/2018 5:25:22 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,

Thank you for the lead. I joined the group and gave them the info so we'll see if anything comes from it!

Another question I had (which I think might even be a harder task than the first) but is there any way to find out which tank my grandpa was crewed with?

Best,
Troy Grove

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Troy, I have not seen any rosters of tanks and their crews. i have seen crews listed as
men remember their days as part of a crew in combat.

Bob Rutledge knows a lot about the 44th
Tank Battalion. Perhaps he can help.

BOBRUTL@yahoo.com

Mike