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PapaBear
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posted 2/1/2018 10:14:01 PM    Click here to view the profile for PapaBear  Click here to email PapaBear  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
My grandfather died in 2005. I was told he was a tanker in the Army during WWII in the Philippines and New Guinea. His name was Manuel Ontiveros. Any info would be greatly appreciated.

harry dhans
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posted 2/2/2018 2:12:35 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
he isn't in our 17000 man roster. Enlistment records have six by that name. Did he have middle name or initial? If in Pacific, he might have been with the 44th Tank Battalion.We have some records on them so will look there. Harry, archivist 12th A D Museum

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 2/9/2018 7:23:08 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Manuel Ontiveros does not turn up in our 17,000 man roster. The 44th was part of the 12th Armored and then was detached and sent to New Guinea and later to the Philippines. I am not certain whether the 44th Tank Battalion is fully or partially represented on the 17,000 man roster.

I contacted an historian of the 44th (Robert Rutledge). He has a roster for the 44th and Ontiveros is not on it. Are you certain he was
associated with the 12th Armored Division?

Rutledge suggests that there are other Divisions or perhaps independent tank battalions that might be considered. He is looking into the names of the other tank battalions in New Guinea and in the Philippines. If you look into the names of the divisions in New Guinea in WW2, you will see there
are several. Many? or all?? of these would have
a tank battalion.

Nevertheless, I will pursue finding some reference to him within the 44th Tank Battalion records in our
scrap books which can be accessed within the Hellcat News Archive.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 2/9/2018 7:29:25 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Ontiveros does not turn up in the Hellcat News
archives. Nor is he found in the history albums
(scrap books). Do you know whether he won any
medals (Bronze Star, Silver Star, etc. or Purple Heart
while in combat?).

harry dhans
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posted 2/9/2018 2:41:35 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I found a Manuel V Ontiveros from state of Washington. His enlistment year was 1946 so would be out of most history.

MikeWoldenberg
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Harry, If this Manuel V. Ontiveros is the same person, we need to know if the middle initial was V, indicating you likely found the man we are looking for. But we still need to find more about him. If we could find his battalion, we could use the battalion history to understand more about his experience.

It could be that he reenlisted after being
discharged from the Army at the end of WW2.
Some men decided to make a career in the Army.



harry dhans
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posted 2/10/2018 3:46:04 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
believe it is Manuel O Ontiveros.
Born in Idaho and lived in Salt Lake City.
S/N 39917387 enlistment 07/03/1943

Bob Scherer
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posted 2/13/2018 10:21:27 AM    Click here to view the profile for Bob Scherer  Click here to email Bob Scherer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
PapaBear,
I serve as the historian for the 12th Armored Division Association. I will be making a trip to the National Personnel Records Center in St Louis. If you would like me to research your grandfather's personnel file I can do that based on some of the info Harry posted, however to have better chance of success I would also need your grandfather's place and date of birth and death. If you do not want to post it on this message board, please email it to my at rwscherer@verizon.net - I will need it no later than 28 February in order to submit my request for the records in time for my visit. Good luck with your search.
Bob Scherer

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posted 2/19/2018 11:07:42 AM  Reply w/Quote
Hello, Mike Woldenberg here:

I have contacted Bob Rutledge who
knows a lot about the 44th. He writes



Mike,

Other Army tank battalions operating in the same area as the 44th included the 706th, 763rd, 767th, and the 603rd Independent Tank Company. Perhaps Ontiveros was in one of these. Places to look anyway. Hope this fellow finds his ancestor's unit!