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posted 2/4/2017 10:15:45 PM  Reply w/Quote
My great-grandfather served in a Sherman during WWII. My grandfather and I have never found much out about him, he never spoke much about his experiences. He did unfortunately pass away about 5 years ago, and we were never able to ask him about the war. Thanks to this website, we were able to find out some information on him within the 12th Armored roster. We still have some questions, what model Sherman he was in, any pictures, and other information. If anyone has any information on Paul S Kelly or how to find it, please respond. If it does help, he did tell us that his tank was nicknamed "Clementine" and he served in the Battle of the Bulge as well as the Rhineland.

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posted 2/6/2017 2:27:11 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Have you looked at the memoirs in the BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES on the left column?

Scroll down to the items about the 23rd Tank battalion. Also read: DEATH OF AN AMERICAN COMBAT COMMAND (in column to the left).

Also click on ORAL HISTORY VIDEOS in the column to the left. Click on the word BATTALION which heads a column. This will sort the battalions and you can search for the 23rd interviews quite easily.

There is much more but this will get you started.

Contact me and I will tell you how to get
information on Paul Kelly from old issues of the Hellcat News. My email is at top of this page.


Mike

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posted 2/6/2017 2:53:31 PM    Click here to view the profile for Bob Scherer  Click here to email Bob Scherer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Good information Mike.

To Paul Kelly's great-grandson - I'm the 12th AD Assn's historian and will be visiting the National Personnel Records Center (NPRC) in St. Louis late in March. If you would like me to do any research on Paul, please contact me - rwscherer@verizon.net. I will see if I can find anything else on your gg-father. I will pass your request to Allan Dear, the 23rd Tank Bn unit representative to see if anyone remembers Paul from Co C. Best of luck! Bob Scherer

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posted 2/6/2017 9:23:08 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi, I learned that there are two references to Paul
Kelly in issues of the Hellcat News. (There is also
a reference to a movie actor by that name).

It turns out that Paul had frozen feet during the battle of Herrlisheim. He had to leave the battlefield and was replaced by Andy Woods.

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Thank you very much for the information! I told my grandfather and he had mentioned he got frostbite on his feet during the war. He said he didn't want it because the frostbite wasn't terrible, but he did receive a purple heart for it. I always suspected otherwise, he did have shrapnel in his leg and other parts of his body that he would never talk about. If you find any other information, please tell me. Any documents or pictures would help a lot.

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Oh, sorry, I accidentally typed that wrong. He received a Purple Heart because of the frostbite on his feet. He really did try to say he did not want it, but I guess they insisted. As I said, he did not talk much about his experiences in the war, so I'm still suspicious that the shrapnel in his body was the reason he received the Purple Heart.

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posted 2/15/2017 1:50:54 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Is Paul Kelly a member of the 12th
Armored Association? (If he receives
the Hellcat News, then he is a member).
He can join at no cost. Let me know if he is
interested:

geomike@buffalo.edu

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posted 2/15/2017 2:06:59 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Mike, 1st post says he died five years ago.

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posted 2/15/2017 3:15:42 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I believe I have found his enlistment record, obituary and tombstone. Obituary says he joined the Air Force after the Army and served in Japan. Harry, archivist

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I apologize for my error. I returned to this
series of messages and forgot to read them once
more to refresh my memory.

Mike



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posted 2/18/2017 11:49:12 PM    Click here to view the profile for Bob Scherer  Click here to email Bob Scherer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
It must have been the schrapnel. Frostbite is not a qualification for the Purple Heart.

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posted 2/19/2017 6:04:22 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
PH's were indeed awarded for frostbite during wwII. The regs were changed in 1951 to specifically disallow PH's being awarded for such things as frostbite, trench foot, battle fatigue, etc. Basically if the enemy didn't cause the wound or injury, you're not eligible.


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posted 2/24/2017 10:21:03 AM    Click here to view the profile for Kate  Click here to email Kate  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hey there, Guest!
I'm pretty sure that I know who you are, Paul S Kelly is my grandfather and I have oodles of research on him. I've talked to people who have served with him and downloaded a LOT of stories that are from his unit. Before he passed away, I tried to get him to confirm my research, but he didn't want to talk about it at all!
I'll send your mom or grandpa the information I have and I'm available if you want to chat about it sometime :)

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posted 2/24/2017 10:24:59 AM    Click here to view the profile for Kate  Click here to email Kate  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I also have an entire box of the Hellcat News!
Andrew Wood is the gentleman who I spoke with who served with him