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CarolT
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posted 7/11/2014 11:24:09 AM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
How long had the soldiers been in Germany and where?
When did they leave Germany?
I know, that my Grandfather, George W. Clark got wounded in France, but I was not able to figure out, when he got back to his Company in combat or if. I did read the hole book from the 43rd.
After the war,he was in Hessen in a town called Grosskrotzenburg witch belong to the city Hanau. But I couldn't found anything about, how long his Division was there.
On one picture from the 43rd, here in your archives, are two aunts from my mother, that is why I think, the whole 43rd tank bat. was there in Hanau.
Just for your information. My mother is a child of war and I badly try to find a picture of her father.
George W. Clark 43rd Tank battalion, Company A, 2nd Lt. and leader of the 2nd battalion

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 7/11/2014 2:37:45 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello, George Clark was an officer and it is
quite likely someone will know if and when
he was able to return to duty with the 43rd.
There are AFTER ACTION REPORTS for each battalion. Hopefully we can find these for
the 43rd. In some of these one can find
the names of the officers each month.
From this we might find when he returned to
duty (if he did before the end of the war).

After the war ended, the battalions were
scattered about in southern Germany for occupation duty. Men who had served for
a long time and were older, and had families
to support, etc. etc. received "points." When they had enough points they were sent home. Other men were reassigned from the 12th Armored to other battalions in other divisions. They had occupation duties with these battalions as they waited to be sent home. Other men were sent to the USA in
preparation for the invasion of Japan.

It should be possible to find out some facts
about Lt. Clark. Just to be sure, where was your mother living?

Mike Woldenberg



MikeWoldenberg
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posted 7/11/2014 2:45:33 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
The 12th Armored was deactivated on
December 3rd, 1945. Men from the division
could still be found in Germany, assigned
to other divisions.

CarolT
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posted 7/11/2014 10:23:52 PM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello Mike,
My mother was born in Kahl am Main. The next US military Base was in Grosskrotzenburg, that town belongs to Hanau.
George W. Clark was a young men, DOB 06/03/1921, and not married.

Thank you
I realy appreciate your help.
Carol

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posted 7/13/2014 12:59:31 PM    Click here to view the profile for JackiePS  Click here to email JackiePS  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi Carol....I'm the unit rep for the 43rd Tank Battalion....I write a monthly column for the Hellcat News, and will put a request in the column for any information or pictures that anyone might have on your grandfather. Maybe that will get you further results.

CarolT
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posted 7/14/2014 11:42:42 AM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello Jackie,
Thank you so much.
If you need more Information about George, let me know. I have already his Military personnel records from NPRC in St. Louis.
He was in the Army until 1960, during that time also a non commissioner officer in Fort Knox. I thought that could be a good source for a picture too, but I have no idea where to ask for or to look at.
Carol

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posted 7/14/2014 12:07:38 PM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Mike,
about the After Action Reports. I contacted the Eisenhower Library at 7/11/14, no response yet.But that was readable:
43rd TANK BATTALION
182 pages
Book 2 / Box 168
The series contains the unit histories of the 43rd Tank Battalion (12th Armored Division) for the months of January through September 1945. Most of these histories include a narrative of the months events, a casualty report, an awards and decorations report, and a roster of the Battalions officers. The series also contains documents regarding the reorganization of the 12th Armored Division and after action reports for November 12December 31, 1944 and October 1November 3, 1945. Most of the series is organized chronologically.

I will wait one more week for a response from the Library, and than contact them again.
Thank you Mike for the terms, it's so hard to search for thinks, when you have no clue about the proper name for the topic.

Carol

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During the occupation, my father was transferred out of the 12th Armored, and assigned to the 84th Infantry Division. I have his jacket with the 84th Inf. patch on the sleeve. It's round, has a red background with a white ax chopping a white log. On the other sleeve is the 12th Armored patch. He stayed in Germany for several months, and was discharged Jan. 1946. He returned across the Atlantic, to the USA in a C-47 cargo plane, where he laid on the floor of the hollow fuselage. The wind whistled through bullet holes in the plane all the way home.

CarolT
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posted 7/14/2014 8:35:16 PM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'm so glad that I don't have to go through such a rough time. Just unimaginable, when you don't had to experience it by your self.

@Mike:
I got response from the Eisenhower Library. The Archivist said that I can review the documents in the research room. Otherwise, I can order staff-made photocopies for $0.80 per page or hire an independent researcher to review or copy the documents for me. Finally, it is possible that the National Archives in College Park, MD, would have copies of these after-action reports.
Unfortunately, I live in Chicago and now I'm looking for a person who may help me. go there and scan and email the pages.
I hope that I can find someone.

Carol




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posted 7/16/2014 10:05:19 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi Carol, I suggest the following.
The After Action Reports are monthly.
Usually there is a roster of officers
each month. (Some have died or been wounded
and have been replaced). I would ask them
to copy the pages each month of the officers.
I estimate it would not exceed $1.60 per month. You might have as many as 8 or 9 months. This would give you an answer as to
when George Clark returned to duty. If there
is a page detailing a return to active duty
each month, you should copy those as well.

Mike

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posted 7/16/2014 10:16:54 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello again, I checked the Hellcat News
and found that George Clark was mentioned
several times as paying his dues, etc. but there was very little other information. I do recall that the paper stated that he had
died.

George was stationed at Fort Knox when he was
discharged from the Army in 1960. During the war he was a 2nd Lieutenant. In 1960 he was a non commissioned officer, a sergeant of some sort. Perhaps you know when he entered the Army. If he was in the Army for 20 years, he could retire with a pension, presumably. I have no military background. However, I seem to recall that if a man changed his status to the regular Army (rather than some less permanent status) it
could happen that he took a lower rank. It might be that with seniority, he would make more money that way. This is pure guess work on my part. Perhaps someone can offer some more information on this.

I will keep thinking.

Mike



CarolT
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posted 7/16/2014 8:08:18 PM    Click here to view the profile for CarolT  Click here to email CarolT  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello Mike,

Thanks for helping.
That's what I saw in the Hellcat news. I'm working on it, to get the After Action Reports.

Best,
Carol