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Dave Kaup
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posted 2/4/2014 9:12:02 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Looking for any info on my father, Pvt. Raymond E. Kaup, who was in the 66th Armored Infantry Battalion, 12th Armored Div. I'm not sure what company, possibly "C". I believe he joined the division as a replacement early on in Europe and fought through all three campaigns and possibly helped liberate at least one concentration camp. He was part of a half-track crew and made it well into Germany before being rotated back to the States during the Drive through the Rhine. Thank you in advance.

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posted 2/4/2014 9:54:07 PM  Reply w/Quote
he is not listed the C-book

Dave Kaup
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posted 2/4/2014 10:05:51 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thanks. One company down. Anybody have rosters for the other companies in the 66th?

Also I was incorrect with my first post. Dad did cross the Atlantic with the 12th on the Empress of Australia after joining the Division while in Texas. He came back on a Liberty Ship loaded with German prisoners. He weathered hurricanes both coming and going.

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posted 2/5/2014 9:52:14 AM  Reply w/Quote
DO u have his DOB? what state did he live in when drafted or Joined?

Dave Kaup
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posted 2/6/2014 7:41:48 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi,
My Dad was born on Oct. 28, 1921 and was living in Smith County, Kansas when he was drafted.
Thanks!
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posted 2/7/2014 5:35:26 AM  Reply w/Quote
Hi David,
I searched the National Archives records and for some strange reason your dad is not listed and if he was, I would have given you his record at the time of his enlistment. Even those who volunteered would be on these records. I was looking for his ASN (Army Service Number)which is very helpful in these searches.

Do have any of his records, a DD-214 form would be very helpful. If he deceased his obit could be helpful.

Someone registered him on the WW2 Memorial as "A Grateful American" was that you?

I don't have rosters for Co A or B, but I do have several manuscripts vets have written, Ill look through those and see if he is mentioned.

Many towns and cities give property tax deductions for vets. You may want to check with tax collector in the town he lived or presently lives, for a copy of his DD-214.

You have not stated if he is living or deceased.

If he received medical from a VA hospital, they maybe able to help you.

I'll keep looking

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posted 2/7/2014 8:58:51 AM  Reply w/Quote
this could be him

http://www.newspapers.com/search/#query=kaup&ymd=1946-03-30&lnd=1&t=869

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posted 2/7/2014 3:02:11 PM  Reply w/Quote
https://www.kshs.org/kmi/kmi_wwiiselectives/search/surname:Kaup/fname:Raymond/branch:A/county:SM/servicenumber:/year:/submit:SEARCH.

David, if the link does not work, i'll email u direct

Dave Kaup
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posted 2/7/2014 5:45:11 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Your second link is for my Dad, the first one was somebody else with the same name. According to his discharge papers, he was inducted into the service on Nov. 3, 1942. His scores were such that the Army put him to the engineer program at the Colorado School of Mines. After D-Day, the Army needed warm bodies and anybody who was to graduate in 1945 were reclassified and sent into the meat grinders. Stephen Ambrose talks about that in "Citizen Soldiers".

He was originally placed with the 9th Armored Div. and was transferred to the 12th at some point and went to Texas for training before embarking with the Division for Europe.

Thank you for your time & effort. Does anybody have rosters for the other companies? My best guess would be Co. B or D.

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posted 2/7/2014 6:29:45 PM  Reply w/Quote
The roster on this site was complied after the war by several veterans. The only roasters, I have are of the members of the 12th Armored Division Association.

Suggest you look at the digital archives of the Hellcat News Archives found on the green spine. Do a word "Kaup" search on the early issues. Ask for help from the museum staff. Almost all the early issues, were complied by the Army, not unusual to find names by Company, when an achievement, promotion etc. has taken place. Again I suggest someone on the staff.

Do you have a DD-214?

Dave Kaup
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posted 2/7/2014 6:33:34 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I do have a copy of his DD-214.

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Hi Dave, There is a possibility that your
Dad is on another Roster that the Museum
has. This is a Roster for all three
Armored Infantry Battalions and it is more
complete than the 17,000 Man Roster on this
website. (The 17,000 Roster gives only the 66th, but not the Company). I will ask
Harry Dahli to look into this. I have this
Roster at home, but I am in California for
2 weeks.

Mike Woldenberg

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posted 2/7/2014 9:22:25 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,

Thank you for your efforts. Harry, thank you in advance. FWIW, I am really certain that Dad was in the 66th.



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posted 2/8/2014 2:42:17 PM  Reply w/Quote
found him listed as "B" company
PFC Was awarded the Combat Infantryman's Badge on 28 February 1945 for action on February 6, 1945 in ground combat. May have been in area of Rouffach.
will keep looking. might be Tuesday when Museum will be open again.
Engineer school sounds like it was the ASTP Harry

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Thank you Harry!

I checked ASTP and none of our ASTP men in BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES went to
Colorado or Colorado State or School of the
Mines.

He may have been in ASTP in Colorado and then assigned
to another division before he ended up
in the 12th Armored.

Mike

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posted 2/9/2014 2:54:24 AM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thank you Harry and Mike. Dad was in the Army Specialist Training Program at the Colorado School of Mines. While there, he met his future wife, my Mom, on a blind date in Denver.

As I wrote earlier, he was reassigned from there first to the 9th Armored and then to the 12th. He was luckier than many ASTP guys who were sent overseas as replacements since he was placed with the 12th before they shipped out.

Thanks again!

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posted 2/9/2014 9:54:18 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dave, Just as I suspected! So now we know
that our list of men in ASTP is incomplete.
See BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.

Also we need to add the Colorado School of the
Mines.

Mike

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posted 2/21/2014 3:25:13 PM  Reply w/Quote
there were 227 schools in the ASTP.
My guess is that he was assigned there from the 9th Armored and when ASTP closed was sent to the 12th.

Dave Kaup
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posted 2/21/2014 5:15:37 PM    Click here to view the profile for Dave Kaup  Click here to email Dave Kaup  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I had not thought of that possibility, which could sure explain the ninth. Thanks!

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posted 2/24/2014 3:17:36 PM  Reply w/Quote
the 9th trained at Ft. Riley, KS. volunteers WERE TAKED INTO ASTP IF THEY QUALIFIED, When program was stopped all the men were made privates and either sent to infantry or armored.