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Joes girl
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posted 8/22/2013 9:30:52 PM    Click here to view the profile for Joes girl  Click here to email Joes girl  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I would like any info on Joe Donald Clevidence, of the 12th armored 92 cav. recon squad troop A. I just found this sight and am new to using it. I never knew to much about my fathers military service.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 8/23/2013 7:25:09 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello, Go to BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES
on the left side of this page.

Scroll down to Squadron History of the 92nd
Recon ...

Click on Troop A. Your Dad's name is there,
but the list is not strictly alphabetical.
I note that he is not on the 17,000 Man Roster.
This is a common phenomenon. Many men are not
on this roster.
Read the chapter on Troop A, and then read the rest of this book. It will give you a
good start.
I will get back to you.

Mike W.

harry dhans
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posted 8/23/2013 5:00:40 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Brief record said he enlisted in October of 1944. May be why he isn't on 17000 man roster.

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posted 8/24/2013 8:31:37 PM  Reply w/Quote
My Father was with the 12th Armored from Oct. 1943, until it was deactivated. So, seniority in the division has nothing to do with being on the roster. No one seems to have any answers as to why some names aren't on this roster.

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posted 8/24/2013 8:34:44 PM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Guest:
My Father was with the 12th Armored from Oct. 1943, until it was deactivated, and his name is not on the roster. So, seniority in the division has nothing to do with being on the roster. No one seems to have any answers as to why some names aren't on this roster.


MikeWoldenberg
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posted 8/24/2013 9:34:01 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
This is a comment on the 17,000 man roster.
There are omissions and other errors on this
roster. I have to make a list of other
rosters that can be consulted on this
website (for instance in the SQUADRON HISTORY OF THE 92ND RECON). When all these rosters are considered, etc., we should have a (much?) improved coverage by moving around on this website. There are various lists of men who have earned the Combat Infantryman's Badge, etc. that can be found in the National Archives in College Park Maryland.

Mike W.

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posted 8/27/2013 12:36:26 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
pg. 41 of Squadron History
near Neuhof - Pvt. Clevidence and others were all slightyly wounded in the attack.

JenniferLenches
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posted 8/27/2013 12:55:36 PM    Click here to view the profile for JenniferLenches  Click here to email JenniferLenches  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Harry and I can both confirm that Joe Clevidence is on the website roster.

Jennifer Lenches
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12th Armored Museum

harry dhans
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posted 8/27/2013 1:00:27 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I was going by the records in the National Archives. It has him as enlisting on October 21, 1944 in Cleveland, Ohio. His name is listed in the 17000 man roster on this website. Many men and we do the best we can finding them all. Thanks for visiting this site!

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posted 12/19/2013 6:04:28 PM  Reply w/Quote
My dad, Marne Humbert, was in "A" troop. I'll ask him if he remembers him and get back to you.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 12/25/2013 12:30:40 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
To the son or daughter of Marc Humbert.
I have some questions to ask your Dad.
Does he remember the events after April 22nd
1945, when the 12th captured the bridge
at Dillingen.

The 92nd participated in the liberation
of concentration camps (Kaufering camps)
also known as Camps I, II, III, IV, all the way up to IX or maybe XI. Some names:
Landsberg prison, Hurlach (camp IV, I think). Also Schwab-Munchen.



I am particularily interested
in the liberation of a POW camp in Murnau
(Polish soldiers and officers) and also in
the liberation of a train or trains full of
concentration camp survivors. One may have
been in Iffeldorf, not far from Murnau. This took place roughly at the very end of April, or early May.

Thanks, Mike Woldenberg,
geomike@buffalo.edu

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 12/25/2013 12:42:07 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
OOPS! I meant to write:

Marne Humbert

Sorry, Mike W.

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posted 1/13/2014 12:23:14 AM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,
Dad's memory isn't too good nowadays, but in the past he has mentioned the camps. He told me the first one they came upon, he drove his M-8 armored car thru the locked gates. They came upon a second but were told not to enter and ordered to move on. He does not remember the names or which camps they were, nor has he mentioned any American POW's. He did say that they spent the night in Landsburg, and they were ordered not feed any of the wandering camp survivors any solid food as it would probably kill them. He has never mentioned securing any bridges, and the only train he talked about was one they came upon that had German aircraft fuselages inside, which they destroyed with white phosphorus grenades. He has mentioned their actions at Herlisheim, and was present when Captain Mund was wounded there, and remembers crawling back to the waterworks in the snow under heavy fire. He was present when A trooper Frederico Black was killed accidently, and as I mentioned in a previous post, was present when A trooper Chester Lubas was killed. Hope that helps.

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posted 1/18/2014 8:01:49 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
"and the only train he talked about was one they came upon that had German aircraft fuselages inside, which they destroyed with white phosphorus grenades."

I had not heard about the German fuselages
destroyed in a train. This looks like new
information. In the days after
April 22nd, various battalions destroyed
German jet planes (Messerschmidt 262) on the ground near the autobahn. They used the
autobahn as a landing strip.

"He has mentioned their actions at Herlisheim, and was present when Captain Mund was wounded there, and remembers crawling back to the waterworks in the snow under heavy fire."

Captain Jay Munn.

"He was present when A trooper Frederico Black was killed accidently, and as I mentioned in a previous post, was present when A trooper Chester Lubas was killed. Hope that helps."

Can you tell us the circumstances of each
death?

Thanks very much.

Mike W.

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posted 1/27/2014 5:24:30 PM  Reply w/Quote
Hi Mike,
Here's the info on Chester Lubas' death:
According to A troop history, they were outside of the German town of Neubauhof. Dad said that they received sniper fire from across an open field and had taken cover behind some trees or hedges. A German soldier, carrying a white flag, started walking into the open field, but away from them, not towards them. They were trying to get his attention, shouting at him over here, but he seemed confused. Chester, apparently frustrated, stood up yelling and waving over here when a sniper shot him almost immediately. All dad said after that was we didnt take any prisoners.

On Frederico Black, whom dad said they called "white leggings Black" because he scrubbed his leggings until they were white, it was a very unfortunate case of friendly fire. The troop had come into a town where they were going to billet for the night. Black had went into a home, and from an upstairs window told a trooper down below in his M-8 armored car to grab his bedroll and bring it up. This trooper jumped into the turret and accidently kicked the .50 caliber gun, which discharged and hit Black, killing him.

Hope this helps.

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posted 1/28/2014 7:51:06 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thank you for those stories. How sad!

Mike Woldenberg