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dlcline
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posted 7/28/2013 11:23:45 PM    Click here to view the profile for dlcline  Click here to email dlcline  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
We are looking for info on my husband's grandfather, Shelby Paynter. His discharge papers say CO D 43RD TANK BN 12TH ARMD DIV but I don't see him listed in the list of 17,000 members. Am I in the right place?

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 7/29/2013 9:58:49 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi, Go to Books and Written Experiences at the
left. Scroll down to the Unit History of the
43rd Tank Battalion. Click on Company D.
Shelby Paynter is on a roster at the end of this chapter. Read the chapter. These guys
did a terrific job, at Colmar in February,
and also in April and May when they helped
capture the bridge across the Danube at Dillingen. Also freed concentration camps,
and freed over 4000 Polish officers in Murnau.


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posted 7/29/2013 11:20:17 PM    Click here to view the profile for dlcline  Click here to email dlcline  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Great! I read some of that last night but didn't get all of the way to the end...Here is the big mystery...On Shelby's Report of Separation, "Medal of Honor" is listed under Decorations and Citations but we have no other documentation supporting this. He would never talk about it when asked until right before he died. He told my husband that Eisenhower gave him a medal-it was light blue. When his replacement medals were requested several yrs ago, all but that medal were sent. His daughter said that all or some of his records were destroyed in the Fire of 1973. Can you offer any help or guidance in obtaining confirmation/documentation of his Medal of Honor? He's not listed on any of the lists that we've found online.

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posted 7/30/2013 3:22:59 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I have visited the National Archives in College Park, Maryland.
In the files of the 12th Armored Division, specifically
the 43rd Tank Battalion, you will find General Orders.
The General Orders for 1945 and perhaps for
1944 are relevant. These contain the citations for medals
such as the Bronze Star, Silver Star, Distiguished Service Cross, and other citations. Also medals were given
by the French for the liberation of Alsace and Colmar.
The Combat Infantryman's badge was very special
to the men who were in combat.

The Congressional Medal of Honor is probably NOT
what you are referring to. So far as I know, there is only
one given to a man from the 12th, (Sgt. Eddie Carter).
I am on vacation now and can not do any research, but that is where I would start---at the National Archives.

If you live near St. Louis, there is the Division Reunion
going on this week, August 31- to next Sunday.
Check out Reunion Info on the left side.

Mike Woldenberg

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posted 7/30/2013 4:33:02 PM    Click here to view the profile for dlcline  Click here to email dlcline  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I appreciate you getting back to me. I live in SW VA but go to Baltimore, MD quite a bit so I may try to visit College Park this Fall. We're just mystified by why Medal of Honor would be listed on his papers. Are there different types of Medals of Honor?

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posted 7/30/2013 9:46:44 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
No idea re: the Medal of Honor.

Maybe a translation of a French medal????

MIke

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posted 8/1/2013 3:29:33 PM  Reply w/Quote
A Shelby R. Hord did receive a Medal of Honor. So maybe A mix-up occured. hARRY

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posted 8/2/2013 12:37:22 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
In the history of D Company, Paynter is listed as being in second group of replacements. Reason for him not being in the 17000 man roster.

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posted 8/4/2013 9:57:28 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi,

Could it be that Shelby Paynter received the
French Legion of Honor medal? If alive today he would qualify.

Mike

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posted 8/5/2013 9:45:10 PM    Click here to view the profile for dlcline  Click here to email dlcline  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Harry-Thank you for explaining that.
Mike-I did start investigating the French medals after you mentioned that previously. Haven't found documentation of the French Legion of Honor for him yet but I am still looking. Thank you.

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posted 7/27/2016 10:23:17 PM  Reply w/Quote
I am amazed that his name is Shelby Paynter. That is also my name. I just Googled my name to see what would show up and can't believe there is someone else out there with my name (or me having his name!).