Home  
Home 1289 N. 2nd St., Abilene, Texas 79601
 
12th Armored Division Message Board
register | search | profile
12th Armored Division >> General Discussion >> Ellsworth Bourkney
17 posts total   
Author Topic:  Ellsworth Bourkney
George Baumeister
Junior Member
Member # 11219

Posts: 2
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 7/4/2013
posted 7/5/2013 8:13:43 PM    Click here to view the profile for George Baumeister  Click here to email George Baumeister  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I think he was a member of the 12th armored, and would like any info on him, so I could pass it on to my grand son. Ellsworth died in 1956 while employed by AMF, in charge of the east coast as the head of the new pinsetting machines. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Veterans for all that you did.

twozerofive
Junior Member
Member # 11229

Posts: 1
From: New England
Registered: 7/6/2013
posted 7/6/2013 10:12:36 AM    Click here to view the profile for twozerofive  Click here to email twozerofive  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Bourkney is not listed on the green column under 17,000 members. What makes you think he was with 12AD??

Per the NA his ASN was 12199134 the first number "1" indicates he was a volunteer.

JenniferLenches
Junior Member
Member # 10715

Posts: 10
From: Abilene
Registered: 4/2/2013
posted 7/6/2013 4:30:25 PM    Click here to view the profile for JenniferLenches  Click here to email JenniferLenches  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Good Afternoon,

We have checked the museum in house roster and we do not find Ellsworth Bourkney name. Do you have any more info that we could use to possibly find him? Perhaps if you knew what unit he was in? I did a quick search on the POW list and he is not there either.

Jennifer Lenches
Museum Project Coordinator

JenniferLenches
Junior Member
Member # 10715

Posts: 10
From: Abilene
Registered: 4/2/2013
posted 7/6/2013 4:43:04 PM    Click here to view the profile for JenniferLenches  Click here to email JenniferLenches  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Bill our Curator did some more digging!!

Ellsworth N. Bourkney of Ebenezer New York was assigned to HQ Co of 12th Armored Division.

This will give us a lead to find more info if you can verify that this indeed who you are asking about.

Jennifer Lenches
Museum Project Coordinator

WilliamLenches
Junior Member
Member # 11232

Posts: 1
From: Abilene TX
Registered: 7/6/2013
posted 7/6/2013 4:55:15 PM    Click here to view the profile for WilliamLenches  Click here to email WilliamLenches  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello Mr. Baumeister- Will keep digging and let you know if we come up with any more information. In the meantime, welcome to the 12th family; sorry if the initial reply to your query sounded a bit abrupt. Do not know who 'twozerofive' is, but rest assured he/she is not museum personnel...

Bill Lenches
curator

Guest
Unregistered

posted 7/12/2013 12:04:36 PM  Reply w/Quote
haven't found any pictures yet. My info says he was a warrant officer.

G Baumeister
Junior Member
Member # 11405

Posts: 1
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 8/7/2013
posted 8/7/2013 10:15:10 PM    Click here to view the profile for G Baumeister  Click here to email G Baumeister  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote


Elsworth Bourkney was a Tech Sgt with HQ Co., according to the photos that I saw. He was from Ebenezer NY,so he is the same person.In the album that I saw were pics of him and fellow members in London, Scotland, Paris, Germany, Dachau-annex 4, and one on the ocean(maybe coming or going). I was wondering what his job may have been ( he only said that he was in a tank unit.) In one of the pics is a tank with WIFIE painted on the side.In 66-67 I was in the 15th& 32nd Trans Co, in Stuttgart, and was in a lot of the same cities as he was, and found that very interesting. I am kind of computer illiterate and don't where and how to get much info, so any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, and I apologize for taking so long to reply. George

George Baumeister
Junior Member
Member # 11219

Posts: 2
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 7/4/2013
posted 9/12/2013 7:51:20 PM    Click here to view the profile for George Baumeister  Click here to email George Baumeister  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Have not heard anything in regards to my questions about my uncle. Am I in the right place or does it usually take awhile? Thank you---George

harry dhans
Junior Member
Member # 9107

Posts: 272
From: Abilene,TX
Registered: 5/24/2012
posted 9/13/2013 4:03:08 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
It does take time to do the search. 17000 men and Headquarters has least coverage. We have many pictures with no details listed.
SO FAR:
Ellswort N. Bourkney, T/SGT or Warrant Officer Division Headquarters sn;12199134
b,1914- d1956. State -NY County-Erie
enlisted Buffalo, NY in 1949?
?where is he buried and where did you find picture of "Wifie" helps eliminate some search items.
You might email the unit rep W.W. Hardin at
bill_hardin223@sbcglobal.net and get his iinput. Sometimes it takes using all our resources to get results. So any clues that you can offer would be appreciated. HjD

HEBEGB
Junior Member
Member # 11576

Posts: 3
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 9/21/2013
posted 9/22/2013 10:10:31 PM    Click here to view the profile for HEBEGB  Click here to email HEBEGB  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Sir: Ellsworth Bourkney enlisted in 10-27-42 according to the records that I saw, at the age of 28. He was working for Republic Steel in Buffalo NY, so would not have been drafted.He also had one year of college, but I don't know where that was. My niece has a photo album that he brought home after WWII, and in it were pics of him in uniform, some with T/Sgt stripes and others with no rank and no division insignia. In the album were a pic of a tank with WIFIE on the side and places such as Heidenheim, Giebelstadt, Mutterstadt and Dillengen.Also there were pics of soldiers such as SgtMaj Ray Slattery,Lt. Lynn Williams,John Prichard, SSgt Jim Hunt, Max Beers and more. Upon reading BOOKS&WRIT.TEN EXPERIENCES, Max Beers was the only name that I came upon, he was doing some interpretation work. This whole inquiry came about because I gave my grandson a pocket watch that my uncle Bork received for his graduation from grammar school. I felt that this watch would have been with him in Germany, and sure enough there was a pic of him in uniform with the watch chain showing under his ammo belt. Since that time ,I have many questions about what his job was and if he saw actual combat or did he have an office type of job. Not that it would make any difference to me- just curious. He lived with my family when he was in the Buffalo area, after the war, but never talked about his time in the service. Normal- I guess. Well thank you in advance for any info you can give me. George Baumeister

MikeWoldenberg
Junior Member
Member # 16

Posts: 884
From: University at Buffalo (NY)
Registered: 6/1/2004
posted 9/27/2013 10:19:32 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hi George, I live in Buffalo, by the way.
I checked the names you listed. All are from
Division HQ with the exception of John Pritchard who was with Co A of the 17th
Armored Infantry Battalion. I can check to
see where he was from.

You mentioned you have a picture of him with no division patch and no stripes, etc. on the
shoulder.I have read that members of the OSS (forerunner to the CIA) who were assigned to the Army had the same kind of uniform with no rank or patch. Please look at the names on the pictures and see if you can find Cassie Jake
otherwise known as Cassie Romain. He was with Division HQ (forward echelon). He was a member of the OSS and was assigned to the 12th Armored. Normally OSS men had special talents, for instance, language skills.

Mike Woldenberg


MikeWoldenberg
Junior Member
Member # 16

Posts: 884
From: University at Buffalo (NY)
Registered: 6/1/2004
posted 9/28/2013 4:53:38 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
George, I meant to say that Ellsworth Bourkney
was wearing a uniform with no division patch
and no stripes, etc., it could be he was in
the OSS. Some OSS men were assigned to
Division HQ in order to interrogate prisoners
or perhaps to go alone into enemy territory.

Please check if Ellsworth spoke German,
or perhaps he operated a clandestine radio
in enemy territory.

There may be a way to see if he was
in the OSS.

MIKE

HEBEGB
Junior Member
Member # 11576

Posts: 3
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 9/21/2013
posted 9/28/2013 7:32:00 PM    Click here to view the profile for HEBEGB  Click here to email HEBEGB  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Sir: Thanks for your reply. All of the names that were in the photo album , some with no first names and some with no rank. I assume that some of these names may have been nicknames. Names were; Kawoka, Luke, Hurch, Dauton, Farwater, Walt Rotharmel, Max Beers, SSGT Jim Hunt, Jim Garrison(supply), SSGT William Morgan, Charlie (Sgt),SgtMaj Ray Slattery, Lt Lynn Williams, John Prichard,Mickey Pulst(Marlin), Mike Shovan, Jones, Tommy Austin, SSgt Bill Lebright, TSgtSkevke, Sgt "Marine Wolf", Joe Struzik standing beside tank with "Wifie" painted on it.There were also names, Murnau, and Schwab-annex 4 Dachau concentration camp. As for Ellsworth, I don't know if he spoke German, but my father could speak some, but rarely did. He used to tell us that his brothers nickname was Mox and his nickname was Nick, and that they had a dog named Ouse. At supper time his mother would call Mox Nick Ouse-( makes no difference!) He could always keep the kids intrigued with his Baloney! That is about all the info that I have from the album, except to say that Ellsworth was a super nice guy who passed away too early, at the age of 42. I live in Elma, on 200 Schultz Rd, and I am retired from National Fuel. My number is 652-8693, if that is more convenient for you, and usually aound in the afternoon and evenings. Thanks again and hope to hear from you again. George

harry dhans
Junior Member
Member # 9107

Posts: 272
From: Abilene,TX
Registered: 5/24/2012
posted 10/2/2013 3:23:03 PM    Click here to view the profile for harry dhans  Click here to email harry dhans  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
the names are from 12th HQ. MOST ANYWAY
Max Beer was with HQ Forward Echelon. He was interpreter for Col. Seillers at Landsberg Camp. haven't found 'Wifie" yet! could you see any other markings on the tank.

Guest
Unregistered

posted 11/9/2013 11:31:49 PM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by HEBEGB:
Sir: Thanks for your reply. All of the names that were in the photo album , some with no first names and some with no rank. I assume that some of these names may have been nicknames. Names were; Kawoka, Luke, Hurch, Dauton, Farwater, Walt Rotharmel, Max Beers, SSGT Jim Hunt, Jim Garrison(supply), SSGT William Morgan, Charlie (Sgt),SgtMaj Ray Slattery, Lt Lynn Williams, John Prichard,Mickey Pulst(Marlin), Mike Shovan, Jones, Tommy Austin, SSgt Bill Lebright, TSgtSkevke, Sgt "Marine Wolf", Joe Struzik standing beside tank with "Wifie" painted on it.There were also names, Murnau, and Schwab-annex 4 Dachau concentration camp. As for Ellsworth, I don't know if he spoke German, but my father could speak some, but rarely did. He used to tell us that his brothers nickname was Mox and his nickname was Nick, and that they had a dog named Ouse. At supper time his mother would call Mox Nick Ouse-( makes no difference!) He could always keep the kids intrigued with his Baloney! That is about all the info that I have from the album, except to say that Ellsworth was a super nice guy who passed away too early, at the age of 42. I live in Elma, on 200 Schultz Rd, and I am retired from National Fuel. My number is 652-8693, if that is more convenient for you, and usually aound in the afternoon and evenings. Thanks again and hope to hear from you again. George


Guest
Unregistered

posted 11/9/2013 11:36:46 PM  Reply w/Quote
I have a photo of my grandfather next to a tank with the word "WIFIE" written on it. My grandfather's name was Bill LeBright.

Do you have any pictures or contact information that could help me track his time in the service. If so, please contact me. heath@haywardwesleyan.org.

HEBEGB
Junior Member
Member # 11576

Posts: 3
From: Buffalo NY
Registered: 9/21/2013
posted 11/16/2013 9:15:35 PM    Click here to view the profile for HEBEGB  Click here to email HEBEGB  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Heath, In the photo album that I saw, there was a picture of someone standing next to a tank with "WIFIE" painted on it! Also your grandfather's picture and name were in the album. I borrowed this album from my niece, to try and do some research on my uncles time in service, and as far as I can figure out, the time frame was 43-45. I don't know what he did except to say that he was a TSGT in the HqCo 12th Armored Div. If you have any info, please feel free to write me. George Baumeister hebegb200@yahoo.com or 716 652 8693(usually evenings) Thank you.