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posted 1/25/2011 10:33:26 AM  Reply w/Quote
I am living in Iffeldorf, Bavaria in Germany. Doing researches for a documentation. I am trying to find veterans, who were involved in the liberation of a box car train with 2600 concentration camp survivors. This train was liberated in Staltach by US Soldiers on April 30, 1945. Staltach (today's name Iffeldorf) is south of Munich and east of the Lech River. According to different sources the liberation was done most probably by a unit of the 12th Armored Division. But they didn't stay there, as they had order to move out. Another unit came into Iffeldorf and stayed there for several weeks and took care of the prisoners. According to the Squadron History Soldiers from the Headquarters and Service Troop were in Iffeldorf May 1st.

Can anyone help me with the mission of finding testimonies of soldiers who were there?
If anyone from the American soldiers has taken any pictures from the liberation or the time after in Iffeldorf, please let me know. It would help me a lot.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 1/25/2011 2:05:28 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Hello, The Squadron History of the 92nd Recon mentions
"Caufering" which is, of course, Kaufering. We call the group of related labor/concentration camps the "Kaufering Camps". There is a website, by the way,
http://www.kaufering.com/overview.html
and this website has a map locating the 11 Kaufering Camps.
The 12th Armored emphasizes the capture of the Hurlach camp, (Camp IV). Iggling and UnterIggling is on the map,
and I was not aware that the 12th Armored was involved there, but perhaps they were.

It is well known that some units of the 12th Armored found a train (was it your train?) with prisoners and dead. This train was
strafed by Americn planes by mistake. The German guards ran away. See the book on this website:
STRAFING AND LIBERATION: RESCUED HOLOCAUST EXPERIENCE by J. Hausner.

Joe Hausner is still living in Chicago. He was on a train that was strafed and he ran off into the woods. He had been in Camp IV (Hurlach) and Landsberg, I believe.
You might learn something from him. Contact me for his
address. Mike Woldenberg:
geomike@buffalo.edu

Also, read the UNIT HISTORY OF THE 43d TANK BATTALION. There are other items to read. Unfortunately,
I am leaving for a month vacation and won't be near my
references. You can contact the Unit Representative
to the Hellcat News:

Robert Payne: rppayneb92rcn@verizon.net
and also Judy Jansky: jjansky@hot.rr.com

Also, see Oral Interviews from men of the 92nd, and perhaps the 43d.

Mike Woldenberg

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posted 1/26/2011 6:31:30 AM  Reply w/Quote
Thank you Mike for all the informations. I will go through it carefully.
Hausner's train is not the one I am looking for. This train came from Allach (closed to Dachau) and it was not strafed fortunately.
Regards Hans

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posted 1/26/2011 6:35:28 AM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by Guest:
Thank you Mike for all the informations. I will go through it carefully.
Hausner's train is not the one I am looking for. This train came from Allach (close to Dachau) and it was not strafed fortunately.
Regards Hans


MikeWoldenberg
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posted 5/29/2011 7:09:02 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Please contact Dale Cartee President of the 12th Armored Museum.
He knows about 4 trains that were liberated by the 12th
Armored. Perhaps he knows the one you are interested in.

carteeda@xanadoo.com


Originally posted by Guest:
I am living in Iffeldorf, Bavaria in Germany. Doing researches for a documentation. I am trying to find veterans, who were involved in the liberation of a box car train with 2600 concentration camp survivors. This train was liberated in Staltach by US Soldiers on April 30, 1945. Staltach (today's name Iffeldorf) is south of Munich and east of the Lech River. According to different sources the liberation was done most probably by a unit of the 12th Armored Division. But they didn't stay there, as they had order to move out. Another unit came into Iffeldorf and stayed there for several weeks and took care of the prisoners. According to the Squadron History Soldiers from the Headquarters and Service Troop were in Iffeldorf May 1st.

Can anyone help me with the mission of finding testimonies of soldiers who were there?
If anyone from the American soldiers has taken any pictures from the liberation or the time after in Iffeldorf, please let me know. It would help me a lot.


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posted 9/20/2011 12:04:37 PM  Reply w/Quote
From the Winter 1981 36th Division T-Patch Quarterly: " On April 30th, 1945,we,the 141st Infantry, pushed forward to a town called Iffeldorf(Germany), not far from Landsberg....We also stopped a train, which carried bodies that was to leave for Munich." There are 3 pages of this article plus pictures if you are interested in seeing them. you can email museum@tx.ngb.army.mil

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posted 11/13/2016 5:52:58 PM  Reply w/Quote
I was a 12 year old boy living in Iffeldorf at that time. There was a fierce firefight with remnants of the German army, a small woods reduced to splinters, 2 buildings going up in flames. I had 2 years of high school English, saw two lonely US scouts, automatic weapons at the ready, walking slowly towards the village and approached them. They asked me to show them to the mayor's house. We walked the full length of the main road through the village in total silence, not a soul to be seen anywhere, windows shuttered.
I knocked on the door and the mayor surrendered the village. Later, a never-ending stream of concentration camp prisoners, from the train in Staltach,came into the village. My mother and I, lived in a small 2-room apartment in an old farmhouse, along with an elderly couple. We took in 5 of the prisoners - 3 young women from Hungary and 2 men from Poland. The whole area was quarantined a short time later because of a
Cholera outbreak with several deaths. My memory of all this is still very vivid and I will never forget what happened.
Frank - friedolinr@shaw.ca

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posted 4/4/2017 11:51:45 PM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by MikeWoldenberg:
Hello, The Squadron History of the 92nd Recon mentions
"Caufering" which is, of course, Kaufering. We call the group of related labor/concentration camps the "Kaufering Camps". There is a website, by the way,
http://www.kaufering.com/overview.html
and this website has a map locating the 11 Kaufering Camps.
The 12th Armored emphasizes the capture of the Hurlach camp, (Camp IV). Iggling and UnterIggling is on the map,
and I was not aware that the 12th Armored was involved there, but perhaps they were.

It is well known that some units of the 12th Armored found a train (was it your train?) with prisoners and dead. This train was
strafed by Americn planes by mistake. The German guards ran away. See the book on this website:
STRAFING AND LIBERATION: RESCUED HOLOCAUST EXPERIENCE by J. Hausner.

Joe Hausner is still living in Chicago. He was on a train that was strafed and he ran off into the woods. He had been in Camp IV (Hurlach) and Landsberg, I believe.
You might learn something from him. Contact me for his
address. Mike Woldenberg:
geomike@buffalo.edu

Also, read the UNIT HISTORY OF THE 43d TANK BATTALION. There are other items to read. Unfortunately,
I am leaving for a month vacation and won't be near my
references. You can contact the Unit Representative
to the Hellcat News:

Robert Payne: rppayneb92rcn@verizon.net
and also Judy Jansky: jjansky@hot.rr.com

Also, see Oral Interviews from men of the 92nd, and perhaps the 43d.

Mike Woldenberg


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posted 4/5/2017 12:01:23 AM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by MikeWoldenberg:
Hello, The Squadron History of the 92nd Recon mentions
"Caufering" which is, of course, Kaufering. We call the group of related labor/concentration camps the "Kaufering Camps". There is a website, by the way,
http://www.kaufering.com/overview.html
and this website has a map locating the 11 Kaufering Camps.
The 12th Armored emphasizes the capture of the Hurlach camp, (Camp IV). Iggling and UnterIggling is on the map,
and I was not aware that the 12th Armored was involved there, but perhaps they were.

It is well known that some units of the 12th Armored found a train (was it your train?) with prisoners and dead. This train was
strafed by Americn planes by mistake. The German guards ran away. See the book on this website:
STRAFING AND LIBERATION: RESCUED HOLOCAUST EXPERIENCE by J. Hausner.

Joe Hausner is still living in Chicago. He was on a train that was strafed and he ran off into the woods. He had been in Camp IV (Hurlach) and Landsberg, I believe.
You might learn something from him. Contact me for his
address. Mike Woldenberg:
geomike@buffalo.edu

Also, read the UNIT HISTORY OF THE 43d TANK BATTALION. There are other items to read. Unfortunately,
I am leaving for a month vacation and won't be near my
references. You can contact the Unit Representative
to the Hellcat News:

Robert Payne: rppayneb92rcn@verizon.net
and also Judy Jansky: jjansky@hot.rr.com

Also, see Oral Interviews from men of the 92nd, and perhaps the 43d.

Mike Woldenberg