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curtis rhymer
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From: Enkenbach-Alsenborn Germany
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posted 1/16/2011 8:42:03 AM    Click here to view the profile for curtis rhymer  Click here to email curtis rhymer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I am a personal friend of Carl (Curly)C. Cox
of C-66. He said there was a plane landed in Bavaria, and he and his squad took the pilot/officer prisoner. He took the two cameras from the officer/ pilot.
The S2 ttok the film and gave him back the cameras. I currently have the cameras.
Does anyone know of this story. I would love more details. I am also looking for Mr Warren Stroud C-66. He was from Iberia LA, and a friend of Curly's. I have alot of photos as well. Thanks you

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 1/17/2011 6:03:29 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Curtis, Carl Cox and Warren Stroud are not in the 2003 Roster. They are mentioned in a comprehensive book:

C - 66, by Weston Emery. I note tat Carl
Cox was a replacement who joined the 66th
on April 15, 1945. Warren was an earliher
replacement. Their names are on lists and
there are no stories about them. I scanned the book for any mention of the capture of the pilot of the downed airplane and I could not find anything. However, that is not definitive. The event may have occurred before Carl arrived on April 15.
Or, it may be recorded in another book. I
suggest searching in one of the first three
books reproduced on this website under
BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.

I also suggest you contact the representative from 66th to the Hellcat News.


George O'Bryan, 618-282-6079

geoo@htc.net

Yours truly, Mike Woldenberg

P.S. Is Carl still living? Has he joined
the 12th Armored Association after 2003?

Originally posted by curtis rhymer:
I am a personal friend of Carl (Curly)C. Cox
of C-66. He said there was a plane landed in Bavaria, and he and his squad took the pilot/officer prisoner. He took the two cameras from the officer/ pilot.
The S2 ttok the film and gave him back the cameras. I currently have the cameras.
Does anyone know of this story. I would love more details. I am also looking for Mr Warren Stroud C-66. He was from Iberia LA, and a friend of Curly's. I have alot of photos as well. Thanks you


curtis rhymer
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From: Enkenbach-Alsenborn Germany
Registered: 1/16/2011
posted 1/17/2011 6:45:01 AM    Click here to view the profile for curtis rhymer  Click here to email curtis rhymer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Mike
Thanks
Curly passed away in January 2007. His widow is still alive. He was reluctant for years, to become a member of any organization. In 2004, I gave him a ww2 Veteran Hat to wear to the parades, on Veterans day. He startd to become more open about his experiences. He knew his health was failing and wanted to dispose of the items he brought back. He sold a pocket watch and a set of German Officer Shoulder Boards to a dealer at a flea market. The crook gave him 10.00 for all.
I encouraged Curly to keep his items, and if he needed money. I would give him book value, and when I die. They will go to a Museum in his name. I am in the Army now and had 4 tours to Iraq and Afghanistan.
I have many stories recorded that he told me, and one was published in WW2 Magazine.
If there is any assistance that I can provide her in Germany. I am Glad to help.
Thanks for all your help. I will contact those folks
Curt
Originally posted by MikeWoldenberg:
Curtis, Carl Cox and Warren Stroud are not in the 2003 Roster. They are mentioned in a comprehensive book:

C - 66, by Weston Emery. I note tat Carl
Cox was a replacement who joined the 66th
on April 15, 1945. Warren was an earliher
replacement. Their names are on lists and
there are no stories about them. I scanned the book for any mention of the capture of the pilot of the downed airplane and I could not find anything. However, that is not definitive. The event may have occurred before Carl arrived on April 15.
Or, it may be recorded in another book. I
suggest searching in one of the first three
books reproduced on this website under
BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.

I also suggest you contact the representative from 66th to the Hellcat News.


George O'Bryan, 618-282-6079

geoo@htc.net

Yours truly, Mike Woldenberg

P.S. Is Carl still living? Has he joined
the 12th Armored Association after 2003?

Originally posted by curtis rhymer:
I am a personal friend of Carl (Curly)C. Cox
of C-66. He said there was a plane landed in Bavaria, and he and his squad took the pilot/officer prisoner. He took the two cameras from the officer/ pilot.
The S2 ttok the film and gave him back the cameras. I currently have the cameras.
Does anyone know of this story. I would love more details. I am also looking for Mr Warren Stroud C-66. He was from Iberia LA, and a friend of Curly's. I have alot of photos as well. Thanks you


MikeWoldenberg
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posted 1/17/2011 4:02:54 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Curt, The first thing I want to do is to thank you for your service! Four tours seems like more than enough.Thank you.

I am sorry to hear about Curly's passing. Evidently he was in more than one outfit, because he joined the 66th with 3 weeks remaining in the war. Nevertheless, there was hard fighting, and dangerous work. He may have helped secure the bridge in Dillingen (over the Danube). He probably saw he concentration camps near Landsberg
(Camp IV, Hurlach). He may have freed some
Polish POWs in Murnau.

Please tell me the issue of WW2 magazine, and I will try and find it. Also, the Hellcat News (George OBryan) often publishes the stories from the war.

Finally, keep the 12th Armored Museum in Abilene Texas in mind. The current President is Dale Cartee

carteeda@xanadoo.com

Someday you should visit this museum.

All the best, Mike

MikeWoldenberg
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From: University at Buffalo (NY)
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posted 1/23/2011 7:34:01 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Curtis, I discovered a possible connection:
See BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.
Then go to page 107. The medical detachment
history records that they treated a German
pilot who had been forced down near C Troop.
On the other hand, the chapter about
C troop does not record this. Nor does
C-66 (the book by Emery) say anything.
This incident took place after the capture
of the bridge over the Danube at Dillingen.
(roughly after April 21, I think).

curtis rhymer
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From: Enkenbach-Alsenborn Germany
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posted 1/23/2011 9:07:36 AM    Click here to view the profile for curtis rhymer  Click here to email curtis rhymer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Wow
Thanks very much.
I appreciate your thanks.It is my connection with the veterans that keep me going. I live in a town called Enkenbach Alsenborn. It is 4 Km from Otterberg.

I looked for page 107, but could not find which reference. Which book is it?I will look for the article. I will happily await your reply. I did promise Curly, that all those photos and artifacts would be sent to the museum, when I get them all. I would like them preserved. He did say he had to take a bridge, but could not remember the name. I have pictures of Ellwangen, which he took from the pilot. He had made a bunch more, and was to get a German to develope them, but had to leave quickly with his outfit. Possibly more out there somewhere.
Thanks
Curtis

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 1/23/2011 12:55:49 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Curtis, Sometimes my little computer erases text and I did not catch it this time. Go to BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES.

Scroll down to Squadron History of the 96th
Recon.....

That is the line that was erased.

Mike

curtis rhymer
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posted 1/23/2011 2:39:31 PM    Click here to view the profile for curtis rhymer  Click here to email curtis rhymer  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Mike
Thanks so so much. That is it. Curly said the plane landed and they rushed to capture the pilot. That is when they got the cameras.

He said there was a dogfight, and a piece of Brass fell from the sky and into their track. They all bailed out and took cover. They thought it was a grenade thrown by a German. After a few minuted they saw what it was and had a big laugh. It was just after that he captured the pilot. So it makes sense. I will show this to his wife Mert. She will be thrilled.
Really thanks a big bunch
Curtis

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posted 5/15/2011 8:38:46 PM  Reply w/Quote
All,
In Dr. Brendan Phibbs book "The other side of time", he tells a story of a german pilot that was shot down. Dr. Phibbs and a platoon of black infantryman captured the pilot, to which the german pilot made a derogatory remark toward the black infantrman and was then made to fight one of them.