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jexo
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posted 2/26/2010 8:37:14 PM    Click here to view the profile for jexo  Click here to email jexo  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Does anyone remember or have pictures of my father in law, Amado Gutierrez from Douglas Arizona? He was a Tank Commander.

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 2/28/2010 6:58:50 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Jexco, Your father in law was a member of Company A, 43d Tank Battalion.
Although his name is not on any big roster of the whole division, he is on the roster for company A, in the book:

Unit History of the 43d Tank Battalion.

Look at the left column and CLICK on BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES. Find the Unit History....

Go to page 65. Sgt. Gutierrez was captured on January 17th in Herrlisheim. It was a very, very tough battle for the 12th Armored. It should be possible to find men who remember him, especially since he trained many men in Company A.
Get in touch with the Unit Representative of the 43d Tank Battalion:

Mark Ault; mault4803@aol.com
765-459-5245

He can put a notice in the HELLCAT NEWS.

Yours truly, Mike Woldenberg

jexo
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posted 2/28/2010 4:26:49 PM    Click here to view the profile for jexo  Click here to email jexo  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thank you so much, you have no idea how much this helps.

I went to the location you suggested and did not see the "Sgt. Gutierrez was captured." Could you send me the specific link?

Thanks,

Jexo

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 2/28/2010 7:34:29 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Jexo, On page 65 it is written that
several men were killed or missing, including Sgt. Gutierrez. I checked the
KILLED IN ACTION (see left hand column).
Sgt. Gutierrez is not listed there, so I
concluded he was captured. I considered this
a good, logical guess. I assume your wife would know.

By the way, check out the following book.
See the column on the left.

DEATH OF AN AMERICAN COMBAT COMMAND

Almost all the BOOKS discuss the Battle
in Herrlisheim.

Check out the ORAL HISTORY VIDEOS, for veterans of the 43d, and especially from
Company A.

Mike Woldenberg

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 2/28/2010 7:51:01 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Jexo, Ichecked the Roster for Company A
in th UNIT HISTORY.... Sgt. Gutierrez
is not listed as "captured and liberated."
So maybe he was not a POW. But the book
clearly implies that he was lost for a while
on Jan. 17 and the author of the chapter did not know his fate.

jexo
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posted 2/28/2010 9:31:16 PM    Click here to view the profile for jexo  Click here to email jexo  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
I am so appreciative of the research you've done.

However, I see no reference to Sgt. Gutierrez on page 65 of the text you are refering to. There are so many books, are you sure it is the book you referred me to?

His daughter, my wife, was not privy to her father's memoirs as he was a quiet man, as was my grandfather, a WWII Navy vet who never spoke of the wars--He had WWII, Korea, and Vietnam under his belt.

I appreciate your effort,

Jexo

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 3/1/2010 9:14:00 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Jexo, Immediately to your left you will see a column of topics, beginning with
MISSION STATEMENT at the top. The fourth item is BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES. Click on that. Then there is a list of books, and near the bottom is the UNIT HISTORY OF THE 43rd TANK BATTALION. Scott Hall is listed as the authort. Click on that. Then find page 65 (on the bottom of
the actual book page, not as may be counted
by the computer). Near the bottom of the page, you will read about Gutierrez, "the
big Mexican." The context of the paragraph
indicates he was captured. I will get back to you if I find proof that he was captured.
I assume he survived the war, although you
have not told me that explicitly.

There is another book that will give you
a good idea of what the men faced on Jan. 17
in Herrlisheim. See BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES. Click on FROM BLOODY HERRLISHEIM TO A SLAVE LABOR CAMP, by James
E Muschell. I think that Chapter 3 recounts
what happened on Jan. 17.

Mike Woldenberg

jexo
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posted 3/1/2010 12:13:07 PM    Click here to view the profile for jexo  Click here to email jexo  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
The Beeg Mexican is named Rodriquez, that's why I kept missing it. My father in law is Gutierrez.

I will keep looking too--

Yes, he survived the war and passed away in his 70's due to environmental cancer. He worked in a smelter in Douglas, AZ

MikeWoldenberg
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posted 3/1/2010 10:22:42 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Jexo, What a mistake I made! Nevertheless, if you go to page 75 in the Unit History, you will see Sgt. Gutierrez
was a member of A company, 43rd Tank Battalion. So I will look for mention
of his name elsewhere.

Mike

jexo
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posted 3/2/2010 3:29:55 PM    Click here to view the profile for jexo  Click here to email jexo  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Thank you! You found him for sure, I think I found his picture on the unit baseball team too.

Thanks again

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posted 7/5/2011 6:45:54 PM  Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by jexo:
Does anyone remember or have pictures of my father in law, Amado Gutierrez from Douglas Arizona? He was a Tank Commander.


He was my great grandfather.

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posted 1/18/2015 1:57:53 PM  Reply w/Quote
Jexo, could you please tell me where you found this picture of Amado Gutierrez? I'd like to see it. I think I may be related to him. Thank you very much.