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susan crowder
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From: manaquan, new jersey
Registered: 10/27/2009
posted 11/18/2009 4:45:02 PM    Click here to view the profile for susan crowder  Click here to email susan crowder  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
William D. Jones was my dad. I just want
to know if any of the medics was at that
battle.
I found a picture that my dad had of
Herrlisheim. I see in the picture that there
is a castle of church on the top of a hill
overlooking the town. Is it Herrlisheim of
Herrlisheim, Conar.

Anxious to hear!

Susan

MikeWoldenberg
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From: University at Buffalo (NY)
Registered: 6/1/2004
posted 11/18/2009 5:51:09 PM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Susan,

William D Jones was with the 493 Field Artillery, Medical
Detachment. It is very likely that he was with the troops during battle. You refer to the town of Herrlisheim near Colmar (with an M). This battle took place in February of
1945. If you want more information, I can put you in touch with the unit Representative of the 493d Field Artillery. In the mean time, click on BOOKS AND WRITTEN EXPERIENCES (on the left). The click on the PICTORIAL HISTORY OF THE 493d FIELD ARTILLERY. Also check out
ORAL HISTORY VIDEOS on the left column of this page.
Look for people from the 493d.

Mike Woldenberg, geomike@buffalo.edu


susan crowder
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From: manaquan, new jersey
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posted 11/18/2009 9:49:17 PM    Click here to view the profile for susan crowder  Click here to email susan crowder  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
You are the best!! I looked on the oral
interviews that you suggested. There was
a Alfred G. Bramble that was in my dad's
division. He told the story of the 493rd
in detail. It confirms that the town of
"Herrlisheim was the place my dad was in.
I can't wait til this spring to go see it for
myself. My friends in Germany will take me
in April. Would you know or have a way of
finding out if Alfred G. Bramble is still alive. I would love to talk to him

MikeWoldenberg
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From: University at Buffalo (NY)
Registered: 6/1/2004
posted 11/19/2009 7:58:19 AM    Click here to view the profile for MikeWoldenberg  Click here to email MikeWoldenberg  edit/delete post  Reply w/Quote
Dear Susan, There were two Herrlisheims. The Herrlisheim
near Colmar was mentioned in your first message. I visited
that town in early June. They were in the middle of a "frog
legs festival" of all things! There was even a frog legs queen!
This was a one or two day battle, as part of the whole effort
to clear out the "Colmar Pocket."

There is another Herrlisheim. This one is near Strassburg.
This was the scene of a battle that lasted from about January 8 through about January 20th. The 12th Armored was outnumbered by a lot, and tactical mistakes were made, and many, many men were killed and wounded and captured. See DEATH OF AN AMERICAN COMBAT COMMAND in the left column. If you Dad was with the
12th Armored in January, then he would have been in this
battle, and he would have definitely talked about it. Probably this was much more important to him than the
Herrlisheim near Colmar, unless he had some dramatic
experience in that Herrlisheim.

The two Herrlisheims are not that far apart.

There will be a 10 day guided tour through these battle
grounds in late May early June next spring. If you want
information on this, email me and I will forward it.

geomike@buffalo.edu

Yours truly, Mike Woldenberg

I will look up the man you mentioned to see if he is in the
current (2003) Roster.